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			<title><![CDATA[The Shooting of Charlie Kirk.]]></title>
			<link>https://www.4bel.com/showthread.php?tid=390</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2025 15:35:30 -0600</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Hey, we have all seen the videos, and we have seen the reaction by the left at how happy they are to have silenced Charlies voice.<br />
My daughter pointed out that the security guy on the left, right on the corner of the tent looked at his watch, then made some arm signals just before Charlie was shot.<br />
I know little about what hand signals the security guys use, but it seems incredible to me that the timing appeared to be so perfect. Watch the gut left of Charlie with the tattoos. Security guy... Seems too weird not to be something.<br />
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Hey, we have all seen the videos, and we have seen the reaction by the left at how happy they are to have silenced Charlies voice.<br />
My daughter pointed out that the security guy on the left, right on the corner of the tent looked at his watch, then made some arm signals just before Charlie was shot.<br />
I know little about what hand signals the security guys use, but it seems incredible to me that the timing appeared to be so perfect. Watch the gut left of Charlie with the tattoos. Security guy... Seems too weird not to be something.<br />
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			<title><![CDATA[Spammers]]></title>
			<link>https://www.4bel.com/showthread.php?tid=389</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2025 13:07:17 -0600</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Hi Spammers, advertisers, backlink producing idiots.<br />
I am just going to ban you and block your country. I don't care.<br />
I don't mind people posting things that are important to actual people. I don't mind you posting stories that get scrubbed everywhere else. There seems to be little free speech left in the world. But post stupid gambling shit or document forging crap and its gone. How fucking stupid do you have to be not to notice, you are a guest. Act like a guest.<br />
<br />
Also, for those that are NOT spammers. If you post conspiracies, or other content that you expect will get dissappeared, I will not remove it from this site without a court order.<br />
I am not susceptible to threats, violence or anything kind of pressure. Mostly because I don't give a shit what people say about conspiracies. Just saying, if you want to post the sensative stuff, I will protect your right to post and our right to receive. Thanks for your time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Hi Spammers, advertisers, backlink producing idiots.<br />
I am just going to ban you and block your country. I don't care.<br />
I don't mind people posting things that are important to actual people. I don't mind you posting stories that get scrubbed everywhere else. There seems to be little free speech left in the world. But post stupid gambling shit or document forging crap and its gone. How fucking stupid do you have to be not to notice, you are a guest. Act like a guest.<br />
<br />
Also, for those that are NOT spammers. If you post conspiracies, or other content that you expect will get dissappeared, I will not remove it from this site without a court order.<br />
I am not susceptible to threats, violence or anything kind of pressure. Mostly because I don't give a shit what people say about conspiracies. Just saying, if you want to post the sensative stuff, I will protect your right to post and our right to receive. Thanks for your time.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Bans]]></title>
			<link>https://www.4bel.com/showthread.php?tid=294</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2023 15:50:50 -0600</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Bans are now implemented at the IP level. You can ask for your ban to be removed, by posting from an IP that is not banned.<br />
I don't care if you doxx me, I don't care if you attack this server. I can block any country, any mask or any block iof IP's I see fit. <br />
This is my hobby site, so I really don't give a shit if you script kiddies attack it.<br />
<br />
<img src="https://www.4bel.com/images/smilies/dumbass.gif" alt="dumbass" title="dumbass" class="smilie smilie_21" /><br />
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Also.. moderator positions are now open.. please pm me if you want to have new powers to abuse.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Bans are now implemented at the IP level. You can ask for your ban to be removed, by posting from an IP that is not banned.<br />
I don't care if you doxx me, I don't care if you attack this server. I can block any country, any mask or any block iof IP's I see fit. <br />
This is my hobby site, so I really don't give a shit if you script kiddies attack it.<br />
<br />
<img src="https://www.4bel.com/images/smilies/dumbass.gif" alt="dumbass" title="dumbass" class="smilie smilie_21" /><br />
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Also.. moderator positions are now open.. please pm me if you want to have new powers to abuse.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Guide Stones]]></title>
			<link>https://www.4bel.com/showthread.php?tid=292</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2022 13:04:42 -0600</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[The Message of The Georgia Guidestones<br />
Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.<br />
Guide reproduction wisely – improving fitness and diversity.<br />
Unite humanity with a living new language.<br />
Rule passion – faith – tradition – and all things with tempered reason.<br />
Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.<br />
Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.<br />
Avoid petty laws and useless officials.<br />
Balance personal rights with social duties.<br />
Prize truth – beauty – love – seeking harmony with the infinite.<br />
Be not a cancer on the earth – Leave room for nature – Leave room for nature.<br />
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The loss of these guide stones is greater than anyone would guess.<br />
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[The Message of The Georgia Guidestones<br />
Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.<br />
Guide reproduction wisely – improving fitness and diversity.<br />
Unite humanity with a living new language.<br />
Rule passion – faith – tradition – and all things with tempered reason.<br />
Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.<br />
Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.<br />
Avoid petty laws and useless officials.<br />
Balance personal rights with social duties.<br />
Prize truth – beauty – love – seeking harmony with the infinite.<br />
Be not a cancer on the earth – Leave room for nature – Leave room for nature.<br />
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The loss of these guide stones is greater than anyone would guess.<br />
<br />
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			<title><![CDATA[Free Memberships open]]></title>
			<link>https://www.4bel.com/showthread.php?tid=291</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2022 14:46:55 -0600</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Hi All, not interested in your money, not interested in posting ads. <br />
We are interested in your stories, alien abductions... before or after LSD trips... government conspiracies or even just friendly banter. <br />
I will not ban people for having an opinion, we will block you if you try to fuck with the forum. <br />
<br />
It seems my usual places of hangout are being attacked..... so here we are... enjoy your stay, stay as long as you want.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Hi All, not interested in your money, not interested in posting ads. <br />
We are interested in your stories, alien abductions... before or after LSD trips... government conspiracies or even just friendly banter. <br />
I will not ban people for having an opinion, we will block you if you try to fuck with the forum. <br />
<br />
It seems my usual places of hangout are being attacked..... so here we are... enjoy your stay, stay as long as you want.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[WAR]]></title>
			<link>https://www.4bel.com/showthread.php?tid=288</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2021 13:04:35 -0600</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[I have been taking some heat as a war monger in one of the forums I visit. It seems that people have forgotten what war really is. War is bad War is super bad, the kind of bad that you don't ever want to see. So if you or your country declares war on another, you should consider the following. <br />
<br />
The people fighting you want your death. They do not care about your family, your ideals or your perception of how a war should be fought. War means you use everything you have any way you can to win. You should obliterate your opponent and remove from them the ability to fight you in the future. <br />
<br />
"Rules of Engagement" are for losers, the only rule is you win. Recently there was a suicide bomb that went off in the Afghanistan international airport. These "soldiers" killed 60 of their own citizens and 12 US soldiers. So that is the measure of their resolve. How can you or anyone expect to win a war when the enemy is hiding among the woman and willing to die to inflict even just these casualties. <br />
<br />
When you go to war, you use what you have and you conquer the enemy. You kill every person over 12 if you have to but you make sure that no one from that country will ever lift a hand against you. <br />
<br />
War sucks. War sucks for the people who live on the land, war sucks for the soldiers sent to fight and war sucks for the people who survive it. War just sucks. So when you do declare war, or they declare it on you, you take no half measures. If the USA had been allowed to simply obliterate the enemy, they could have brought in schools, food and meds for the non combatants, they would have won the survivors over and freed the country. Instead the USA has imported thousands of enemy fighters and really has no idea where they are. <br />
<br />
This is another war the USA has lost, but could have won. What they need to do is to go back. But they need to go back without the press, without the journalists whining to the public about the horrors of war and kill every motherfucker with a beard. It doesn't matter if they get the peaceful idiot, that guy should leave before the fighting starts. Once it's over, send in the aid. Send in the doctors send in the teachers and the army corp of engineers. Rebuild the country, give it strength, morals and a future. Help each citizen grow and establish themselves, help each family that is left to thrive. <br />
<br />
The old enemy is dead, the new colony has your values, your drive and your future. This is how you win a war.<br />
<br />
Sadly, this isn't what happened. The fighters are there, subjugating and raping the women and children. there will be no schools, no meds, no future. Sure the bleeding hearts will say that the Afghans deserve to create their own future, but they wont. They will kill who they like, rape who they want and bring up future generations to hate the Americans. This is the way Liberals lose a war... they lose today, tomorrow and the people of Afghanistan lose their future.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[I have been taking some heat as a war monger in one of the forums I visit. It seems that people have forgotten what war really is. War is bad War is super bad, the kind of bad that you don't ever want to see. So if you or your country declares war on another, you should consider the following. <br />
<br />
The people fighting you want your death. They do not care about your family, your ideals or your perception of how a war should be fought. War means you use everything you have any way you can to win. You should obliterate your opponent and remove from them the ability to fight you in the future. <br />
<br />
"Rules of Engagement" are for losers, the only rule is you win. Recently there was a suicide bomb that went off in the Afghanistan international airport. These "soldiers" killed 60 of their own citizens and 12 US soldiers. So that is the measure of their resolve. How can you or anyone expect to win a war when the enemy is hiding among the woman and willing to die to inflict even just these casualties. <br />
<br />
When you go to war, you use what you have and you conquer the enemy. You kill every person over 12 if you have to but you make sure that no one from that country will ever lift a hand against you. <br />
<br />
War sucks. War sucks for the people who live on the land, war sucks for the soldiers sent to fight and war sucks for the people who survive it. War just sucks. So when you do declare war, or they declare it on you, you take no half measures. If the USA had been allowed to simply obliterate the enemy, they could have brought in schools, food and meds for the non combatants, they would have won the survivors over and freed the country. Instead the USA has imported thousands of enemy fighters and really has no idea where they are. <br />
<br />
This is another war the USA has lost, but could have won. What they need to do is to go back. But they need to go back without the press, without the journalists whining to the public about the horrors of war and kill every motherfucker with a beard. It doesn't matter if they get the peaceful idiot, that guy should leave before the fighting starts. Once it's over, send in the aid. Send in the doctors send in the teachers and the army corp of engineers. Rebuild the country, give it strength, morals and a future. Help each citizen grow and establish themselves, help each family that is left to thrive. <br />
<br />
The old enemy is dead, the new colony has your values, your drive and your future. This is how you win a war.<br />
<br />
Sadly, this isn't what happened. The fighters are there, subjugating and raping the women and children. there will be no schools, no meds, no future. Sure the bleeding hearts will say that the Afghans deserve to create their own future, but they wont. They will kill who they like, rape who they want and bring up future generations to hate the Americans. This is the way Liberals lose a war... they lose today, tomorrow and the people of Afghanistan lose their future.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Sandy Hook Total Bullshit?]]></title>
			<link>https://www.4bel.com/showthread.php?tid=79</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2018 10:14:12 -0600</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[This was a terrible time, a terrible incident. Using children for political gain is a pretty common action by slimy politicians. Using the death or the presumed death of children to push your political narritave is beyond low, sleazy and down right distasteful.<br />
So if it happened, or if it didn't is entirely based on your perception of the events.<br />
The following PDF provides some insight to the idea that this event might just be a very poorly constructed, poorly executed attempt at a political gun control grab.<br /><!-- start: postbit_attachments_attachment -->
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[This was a terrible time, a terrible incident. Using children for political gain is a pretty common action by slimy politicians. Using the death or the presumed death of children to push your political narritave is beyond low, sleazy and down right distasteful.<br />
So if it happened, or if it didn't is entirely based on your perception of the events.<br />
The following PDF provides some insight to the idea that this event might just be a very poorly constructed, poorly executed attempt at a political gun control grab.<br /><!-- start: postbit_attachments_attachment -->
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			<title><![CDATA[Recent updates]]></title>
			<link>https://www.4bel.com/showthread.php?tid=22</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2018 11:56:40 -0600</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Hi,<br />
<br />
Sorry for any posts that got deleted.. the stupid forum software was showing errors where it shouldn't and the help community was saying it was my host. Since I am the host, I said they were full of shit..<br />
<br />
I got the thing back up and running, added a couple smilies found on the internet at an undisclosed location if you find some you'd like to use..let me know and I'll add them..<br />
<br />
<img src="https://www.4bel.com/images/smilies/gsbrnint.gif" alt="gsbrnint" title="gsbrnint" class="smilie smilie_23" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Hi,<br />
<br />
Sorry for any posts that got deleted.. the stupid forum software was showing errors where it shouldn't and the help community was saying it was my host. Since I am the host, I said they were full of shit..<br />
<br />
I got the thing back up and running, added a couple smilies found on the internet at an undisclosed location if you find some you'd like to use..let me know and I'll add them..<br />
<br />
<img src="https://www.4bel.com/images/smilies/gsbrnint.gif" alt="gsbrnint" title="gsbrnint" class="smilie smilie_23" />]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[SSL Wooo / New doman]]></title>
			<link>https://www.4bel.com/showthread.php?tid=5</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 26 May 2017 08:26:06 -0600</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[And now there is a new domain name... 4bel.com<br />
Nice and short and not going anywhere <img src="https://www.4bel.com/images/smilies/wink.png" alt="Wink" title="Wink" class="smilie smilie_2" /><br />
<br />
Now you are even more secure...  We know this is bullshit, but there is a pretty lock at the top now....<br />
<br />
+1 mad props for Letsencrypt.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[And now there is a new domain name... 4bel.com<br />
Nice and short and not going anywhere <img src="https://www.4bel.com/images/smilies/wink.png" alt="Wink" title="Wink" class="smilie smilie_2" /><br />
<br />
Now you are even more secure...  We know this is bullshit, but there is a pretty lock at the top now....<br />
<br />
+1 mad props for Letsencrypt.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Ancestry.com Allegedly Caught Sharing Customer DNA Data With Police With No Warrant]]></title>
			<link>https://www.4bel.com/showthread.php?tid=4</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2015 10:05:43 -0600</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Idaho Falls, Idaho – Would you find it frightening— perhaps even downright Orwellian — to know that a DNA swab that you sent to a company for recreational purposes would surface years later in the hands of police? What if it caused your child to end up in a police interrogation room as the primary suspect in a murder investigation?<br />
<br />
In an extremely troubling case out of Idaho Falls, that’s exactly what happened.<br />
<br />
Police investigating the 1996 murder of Angie Dodge targeted the wrong man as the suspect, after looking to Ancestry.com owned Sorensen Database labs for help. The labs look for familial matches between the murderers DNA and DNA submitted for genealogical testing after failing to find a match using traditional methods.<br />
<br />
According to The Electronic Frontier Foundation:<br />
<br />
    The cops chose to use a lab linked to a private collection of genetic genealogical data called the Sorenson Database (now owned by Ancestry.com), which claims it’s “the foremost collection of genetic genealogy data in the world.” The reason the Sorenson Database can make such an audacious claim is because it has obtained its more than 100,000 DNA samples and documented multi-generational family histories from “volunteers in more than 100 countries around the world.” Some of these volunteers were encouraged by the Mormon Church—well-known for its interest in genealogy—to provide their genetic material to the database. Sorenson promised volunteers their genetic data would only be used for “genealogical services, including the determination of family migration patterns and geographic origins” and would not be shared outside Sorenson.<br />
<br />
    Its consent form states:<br />
    The only individuals who will have access to the codes and genealogy information will be the principal investigator and the others specifically authorized by the Principal Investigator, including the SMGF research staff.<br />
<br />
    Despite this promise, Sorenson shared its vast collection of data with the Idaho police. Without a warrant or court order, investigators asked the lab to run the crime scene DNA against Sorenson’s private genealogical DNA database. Sorenson found 41 potential familial matches, one of which matched on 34 out of 35 alleles—a very close match that would generally indicate a close familial relationship. The cops then asked, not only for the “protected” name associated with that profile, but also for all “all information including full names, date of births, date and other information pertaining to the original donor to the Sorenson Molecular Genealogy project.”<br />
<br />
A promising “partial match” emerged between the semen sample and the genetic profile of someone within the Sorenson database. Although the name was initially shielded, police finally sought a court order last summer to require Ancestry.com to reveal Usry’s name to the police, despite it being listed as “protected” in the Sorenson database.<br />
<br />
Ancestry.com failed to respond to questions about how frequently it receives court orders in criminal investigations or if the company attempts to resist law enforcement requests for peoples’ private genetic information, according to The New Orleans Advocate.<br />
<br />
At this point in the story things became even more convoluted. The DNA from the Ancestry.com database linked a man, Michael Usry, to the case that didn’t fit the police profile, as he was born in 1952.<br />
<br />
The cops then used the genetic information and traced his line of male descendants, ultimately finding his son Michael Usry Jr., born in 1979, which much more closely fit the police profile of the killer.<br />
<br />
Once they had targeted Ursy Jr. as the suspect, they began to scour his Facebook page looking for connections to Idaho, finding a couple of Facebook friends that lived in the area of Idaho Falls.<br />
<br />
Police then, by Google searching, realized that Usry Jr. was a filmmaker and had done some short films containing murder scenes. Law enforcement subsequently got a warrant for Usry Jr.’s DNA based upon the completely circumstantial evidence presented by Idaho investigators.<br />
<br />
The cops then called Usry Jr. and asked him to meet them, under the guise that they were investigating a hit-and-run accident. Thinking he “had nothing to hide,” he agreed to meet with the investigators, without an attorney present. He was subsequently taken to an interrogation room where he eventually allowed them to collect his DNA.<br />
<br />
Despite the flimsy circumstantial evidence used to get the warrant, ultimately the test showed that although there were a number of familial alleles shared with the murderers sample, Usry Jr.’s DNA did not conclusively match the killers.<br />
<br />
This case is particularly troubling as it seems to decimate an individual’s right to privacy in the name of “public safety,” while allowing the police to run roughshod over people’s civil rights.<br />
<br />
“It’s not very common to see this sort of thing, and I frankly hope it doesn’t become very common because an awful lot of people won’t bother testing” their DNA, Judy G. Russell, a genealogist and attorney who writes The Legal Genealogist blog, told The New Orleans Advocate.<br />
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There is one key difference between traditional DNA testing and familial testing. The traditional method consists of taking a sample and looking for a specific match with a given database, such as the FBI’s Combined DNA Index System, while familial searching looks for common alleles, or gene variants.<br />
<br />
According to Voices of Liberty:<br />
<br />
    Proponents argue familial searching is a harmless way for police to crack otherwise unsolvable cases. The closest partial matches can steer investigators toward a criminal’s family members, whose DNA profiles closely resemble those of a convicted or incarcerated relative.<br />
<br />
    Skeptics like Murphy, the NYU law professor, warn that the technique drastically expands DNA testing beyond the function envisioned by states that compel criminal defendants to submit DNA samples upon arrest. Many states lack formal legal rules governing the use of familial searching by law enforcement, while Maryland has explicitly outlawed the practice.<br />
<br />
This case exposes the very real danger posed to privacy and civil liberties by familial DNA searches and by private, unregulated DNA databases.This case only serves as a glimpse into the dystopian reality we will soon find ourselves living in, according to The Electronic Frontier Foundation.<br />
<br />
    “This risk will increase further as state and local law enforcement agencies begin to use Rapid DNA analyzers—portable machines that can process DNA in less than an hour. These machines will make it much easier for police to collect and analyze DNA on their own outside a lab. Currently, because forensic DNA analysis in a lab takes so long, we generally see its use limited to high-level felonies like rape and murder. However, Rapid DNA manufacturers are now encouraging local police agencies to analyze DNA found at the scene of low-level property crimes. This means much more DNA will be collected and stored, often in under-regulated local DNA databases. And, because most of the forensic DNA found at property crime scenes is likely to be touch DNA—this only increases the risk that people will be implicated in crimes they didn’t commit.”<br />
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Is this really the kind of future we want to create for our children? Shouldn’t we be able to research and learn about our family’s genealogical ancestry without fear that police will be reviewing our genetic information without our consent?<br />
<br />
This case makes it clear that even when a private business states in writing that your data will be held as private and safe from prying eyes, that may very well not be what transpires.<br />
<br />
Update: A spokesperson for Ancestry.com reached out to The Free Thought Project and provided this statement. “The genetic information provided by our DNA customers is personal and we have strict standards in place to protect their identities and the integrity of their data. These standards are our first priority. On occasion when required by law to do so, and in this instance we were, we have cooperated with law enforcement and the courts to provide only the specific information requested but we don’t comment on the specifics of cases.”<br />
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Idaho Falls, Idaho – Would you find it frightening— perhaps even downright Orwellian — to know that a DNA swab that you sent to a company for recreational purposes would surface years later in the hands of police? What if it caused your child to end up in a police interrogation room as the primary suspect in a murder investigation?<br />
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In an extremely troubling case out of Idaho Falls, that’s exactly what happened.<br />
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Police investigating the 1996 murder of Angie Dodge targeted the wrong man as the suspect, after looking to Ancestry.com owned Sorensen Database labs for help. The labs look for familial matches between the murderers DNA and DNA submitted for genealogical testing after failing to find a match using traditional methods.<br />
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According to The Electronic Frontier Foundation:<br />
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    The cops chose to use a lab linked to a private collection of genetic genealogical data called the Sorenson Database (now owned by Ancestry.com), which claims it’s “the foremost collection of genetic genealogy data in the world.” The reason the Sorenson Database can make such an audacious claim is because it has obtained its more than 100,000 DNA samples and documented multi-generational family histories from “volunteers in more than 100 countries around the world.” Some of these volunteers were encouraged by the Mormon Church—well-known for its interest in genealogy—to provide their genetic material to the database. Sorenson promised volunteers their genetic data would only be used for “genealogical services, including the determination of family migration patterns and geographic origins” and would not be shared outside Sorenson.<br />
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    Its consent form states:<br />
    The only individuals who will have access to the codes and genealogy information will be the principal investigator and the others specifically authorized by the Principal Investigator, including the SMGF research staff.<br />
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    Despite this promise, Sorenson shared its vast collection of data with the Idaho police. Without a warrant or court order, investigators asked the lab to run the crime scene DNA against Sorenson’s private genealogical DNA database. Sorenson found 41 potential familial matches, one of which matched on 34 out of 35 alleles—a very close match that would generally indicate a close familial relationship. The cops then asked, not only for the “protected” name associated with that profile, but also for all “all information including full names, date of births, date and other information pertaining to the original donor to the Sorenson Molecular Genealogy project.”<br />
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A promising “partial match” emerged between the semen sample and the genetic profile of someone within the Sorenson database. Although the name was initially shielded, police finally sought a court order last summer to require Ancestry.com to reveal Usry’s name to the police, despite it being listed as “protected” in the Sorenson database.<br />
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Ancestry.com failed to respond to questions about how frequently it receives court orders in criminal investigations or if the company attempts to resist law enforcement requests for peoples’ private genetic information, according to The New Orleans Advocate.<br />
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At this point in the story things became even more convoluted. The DNA from the Ancestry.com database linked a man, Michael Usry, to the case that didn’t fit the police profile, as he was born in 1952.<br />
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The cops then used the genetic information and traced his line of male descendants, ultimately finding his son Michael Usry Jr., born in 1979, which much more closely fit the police profile of the killer.<br />
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Once they had targeted Ursy Jr. as the suspect, they began to scour his Facebook page looking for connections to Idaho, finding a couple of Facebook friends that lived in the area of Idaho Falls.<br />
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Police then, by Google searching, realized that Usry Jr. was a filmmaker and had done some short films containing murder scenes. Law enforcement subsequently got a warrant for Usry Jr.’s DNA based upon the completely circumstantial evidence presented by Idaho investigators.<br />
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The cops then called Usry Jr. and asked him to meet them, under the guise that they were investigating a hit-and-run accident. Thinking he “had nothing to hide,” he agreed to meet with the investigators, without an attorney present. He was subsequently taken to an interrogation room where he eventually allowed them to collect his DNA.<br />
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Despite the flimsy circumstantial evidence used to get the warrant, ultimately the test showed that although there were a number of familial alleles shared with the murderers sample, Usry Jr.’s DNA did not conclusively match the killers.<br />
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This case is particularly troubling as it seems to decimate an individual’s right to privacy in the name of “public safety,” while allowing the police to run roughshod over people’s civil rights.<br />
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“It’s not very common to see this sort of thing, and I frankly hope it doesn’t become very common because an awful lot of people won’t bother testing” their DNA, Judy G. Russell, a genealogist and attorney who writes The Legal Genealogist blog, told The New Orleans Advocate.<br />
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There is one key difference between traditional DNA testing and familial testing. The traditional method consists of taking a sample and looking for a specific match with a given database, such as the FBI’s Combined DNA Index System, while familial searching looks for common alleles, or gene variants.<br />
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According to Voices of Liberty:<br />
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    Proponents argue familial searching is a harmless way for police to crack otherwise unsolvable cases. The closest partial matches can steer investigators toward a criminal’s family members, whose DNA profiles closely resemble those of a convicted or incarcerated relative.<br />
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    Skeptics like Murphy, the NYU law professor, warn that the technique drastically expands DNA testing beyond the function envisioned by states that compel criminal defendants to submit DNA samples upon arrest. Many states lack formal legal rules governing the use of familial searching by law enforcement, while Maryland has explicitly outlawed the practice.<br />
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This case exposes the very real danger posed to privacy and civil liberties by familial DNA searches and by private, unregulated DNA databases.This case only serves as a glimpse into the dystopian reality we will soon find ourselves living in, according to The Electronic Frontier Foundation.<br />
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    “This risk will increase further as state and local law enforcement agencies begin to use Rapid DNA analyzers—portable machines that can process DNA in less than an hour. These machines will make it much easier for police to collect and analyze DNA on their own outside a lab. Currently, because forensic DNA analysis in a lab takes so long, we generally see its use limited to high-level felonies like rape and murder. However, Rapid DNA manufacturers are now encouraging local police agencies to analyze DNA found at the scene of low-level property crimes. This means much more DNA will be collected and stored, often in under-regulated local DNA databases. And, because most of the forensic DNA found at property crime scenes is likely to be touch DNA—this only increases the risk that people will be implicated in crimes they didn’t commit.”<br />
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Is this really the kind of future we want to create for our children? Shouldn’t we be able to research and learn about our family’s genealogical ancestry without fear that police will be reviewing our genetic information without our consent?<br />
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This case makes it clear that even when a private business states in writing that your data will be held as private and safe from prying eyes, that may very well not be what transpires.<br />
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Update: A spokesperson for Ancestry.com reached out to The Free Thought Project and provided this statement. “The genetic information provided by our DNA customers is personal and we have strict standards in place to protect their identities and the integrity of their data. These standards are our first priority. On occasion when required by law to do so, and in this instance we were, we have cooperated with law enforcement and the courts to provide only the specific information requested but we don’t comment on the specifics of cases.”<br />
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Read more at <a href="http://thefreethoughtproject.com/ancestry-com-caught-sharing-dna-information-police-warrant/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">http://thefreethoughtproject.com/ancestr...e-warrant/</a>]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Why I quit Facebook and we are sharing much more than you think]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[I Got this in the mail from Linkdn, it looks like the world is finally puling the face off of FaceBook.<br />
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Facebook was a great tool. Sadly, it no longer is and it will not be anymore.<br />
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Among my peers, I was the first person to create a Facebook profile back in 2007 when social media just gained ground. I was able to use Facebook to connect with some of my long lost peers - friends, relatives, classmates. The power of Facebook at that time was to find those whom you lost contact. It was a great tool, and because of it I was able to organize many re-unions and gatherings. I used it daily, hourly, frequently.<br />
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<a href="http://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20140709173931-11228988-why-i-quit-facebook-and-we-are-sharing-much-more-than-you-think?trk=eml-ced-b-art-M-1-8101905734586409085&amp;midToken=AQGOvx8r0YycyQ&amp;fromEmail=fromEmail&amp;ut=2Yvz5YDDXclmk1" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Link to source</a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[I Got this in the mail from Linkdn, it looks like the world is finally puling the face off of FaceBook.<br />
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<div style="text-align: center;" class="mycode_align"><img src="http://m.c.lnkd.licdn.com/mpr/mpr/p/1/005/06f/210/18a8559.jpg" alt="[Image: 18a8559.jpg]" class="mycode_img" /></div>
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Facebook was a great tool. Sadly, it no longer is and it will not be anymore.<br />
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Among my peers, I was the first person to create a Facebook profile back in 2007 when social media just gained ground. I was able to use Facebook to connect with some of my long lost peers - friends, relatives, classmates. The power of Facebook at that time was to find those whom you lost contact. It was a great tool, and because of it I was able to organize many re-unions and gatherings. I used it daily, hourly, frequently.<br />
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<a href="http://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20140709173931-11228988-why-i-quit-facebook-and-we-are-sharing-much-more-than-you-think?trk=eml-ced-b-art-M-1-8101905734586409085&amp;midToken=AQGOvx8r0YycyQ&amp;fromEmail=fromEmail&amp;ut=2Yvz5YDDXclmk1" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Link to source</a>]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Welcome to the forums]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2014 16:42:18 -0600</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[There will be plenty of updates to these forums over the next while. If you would like moderator status, pm me on LOP.<br />
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This forum is to avoid the internal Nazism that the other 3 BIG conspiracy sites are full of.... cough... Above no Secret, god damn productions and the other one.]]></description>
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This forum is to avoid the internal Nazism that the other 3 BIG conspiracy sites are full of.... cough... Above no Secret, god damn productions and the other one.]]></content:encoded>
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